Tuesday, December 9, 2008

But think of the children!

I'm all in favour of protecting children from some things.

As far as I'm concerned a child should never have to fear abuse, unwelcome sexual attention or violence.

But then, I'd say the same thing about adults as well.

Lets be clear - for the record - that no child should ever be sexually involved with an adult, willingly or not - who is more a couple of years their senior.

A willing sixteen and fifteen year old? It's impossible to stop - and not something we should try to stop. That sort of age gap appears within a school year. Seventeen and fifteen....hmmm... - but you see my point.

However, where I differ in opinion with some others is the issue of images. Take for example, this.

In this case an encyclopedia has been censored for perhaps 90% of UK internet users - wikipedia, the 4th most visited site on the planet - censored.

Not because of a new image, but an old one. A thirty year old album cover.

For those who haven't seen it, it's of a naked girl in (what in an older, more developed person) would be considered a provocative pose. Naked - but with a broken glass type effect concealing certain things.

It's certainly indecent, uninteresting and in very poor taste - but if the Internet Watch Foundation hadn't done anything then it would have been consigned to the dustbins of history. Instead it's now wikipedia's most popular page.

But no. Instead, they classified it as an "potentially illegal indecent image of a child hosted outside the UK". Which I have a problem with.

You see, there have been laws in the UK for a long time - a very long time. For the last couple of hundred years there have been assorted crimes and penalties for obscene publications.

This album cover was released in the UK and is still available.

So let's get be clear - this picture, taken with consent of the child (And I would imagine the parents!) has had 30+ years to upset people. It did manage to upset people.

In a couple of countries it was re-released with a different cover - but not because of legality. Because it's tasteless.

This album cover was taken to the FBI back in May - but they did nothing. Because there's nothing bad about it. No child was hurt in any way, doesn't really depict anything.

It's not an illegal picture. Or hasn't been so far.

But no. The IWF put it on the banned list, causing a host of other problems...because it Might Be illegal.

This angers me for two reasons. Firstly, because if you start banning encyclopedias from showing things it's easy to start with things like this picture...then where do you stop?

The very far end of this would be banning any picture of women, dressed, undressed or wrapped in Christmas paper. Why? Because there's a religion (Islam) who believes that the sight of a women who's not drapped in thick, shapeless cloth is Indecent and Might Drive Men Into Wild Rape Rampages.

(Oh, just think of the poor women, attacked by these provoked men, Hide them, for their own good!)

And the other reason? To find an image like the one recently banned sexually interesting requires a very sick mind. To someone like that, walking past a school, looking at the pictures in a teenagers magazine or watching children's TV could be as exciting.

You can't stop that.

They need help.

Banning cover art from an album from thirty years ago really isn't going to do it. It was still available (with a better, higher quality image) on amazon and the band's website, as well as hundreds of other sites, mirrors and caches.

Do something about people who actualy abuse children to create images. Track down and throw the book at anyone who pays for this sort of material.*

But address the problem we have NOW. Help children NOW.

Don't take action about a picture that even the girl involved with was happy about, then and 15 years later.

Protect children - not "The Children".

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1) Let the flaming commence
*) I could make an argument against this. But another day.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

1- I dont see the 1)
2- any pornagraphy with naked children should be banned.
3- the "The very far end of this would be banning any picture of women, dressed, undressed or wrapped in Christmas paper." is a bad argument. Women vs Children, consenting aldults, and children who cant legally consent anyways.
4- Has this page been blocked in the UK ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevermind

Anonymous said...

Nope that one hasn't been banned.....yet, on a lighter note its a great album.

Anonymous said...

Indeed it is! I doubt Martin knows it though

Born Today said...

Actualy, now that you mention it - yes, I do know it.

I was introduced to Nivana a long time ago by a mutual school friend.

Well, a couple of tracks, any way ;)
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1) I know you don't - and as I said, it's a post for another day.

2) There you run into a snag. What is pornography? That picture of you in the bath, as a 2 year old?

If you are that way inclined, any image is pornography. If you're not, then it's not an issue for you.

If any image of a child is sexualy exciting, we should ban them all!

But banning all images of children because someone might find it sexually attractive...?

4) Nope - but only because they arn't consistant. And probably don't want to fight Wikipedia again...

3) No, it is a valid argument. And I'll explain why.

We ban child pornography because to make it you usualy have to abuse children. The ban is in place to protect children.

The muslim argument is that seeing women might inflame men and cause them to sin, potentialy violently. So again, banning it to protect the group involved.

Yes, there is a large difference in scale - but I presented it as an example of a "slippery slope" argument. If you ban it for one case, you should probably ban it for the next. And the next, and the next...

5) I fully agree that Real Child Pornography should be hunted down. But every time something like this is brought up, you reduce the impact and value.

The type of blacklisting as used by the IWF has minimal effect. Banning sites like wikipedia does nothing.
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Side note - I do believe that the UK obscene publication laws need to be rationalised, brought up to date and made sane.

For example, in theory every single person who has ever been to that particular wikipedia article is "guilty" of a halfway serious crime. Possibly, maybe.

In another mad example, if you accidently aquired such an image and deleted it, your fine. Unless you have the technical skills to retrieve it. In which case you're forever guilty...

Anonymous said...

Again... what I said was children arent legally consenting of these picture, that is the reason it should be banned.
Children cannot take those decisions. Im sure that little girl on Scorpion's CD case sees it now thats shes 40 and would of like to been able as a child to really understand what it meant.

Children dont have the mental capability to understand the full consequence of their action, hence why they cannot consent to sexual activity and sexual explicit material that concerns them.

Born Today said...

Unfortunately a large debate as commenced over MSN...which you're not going to see.

Sorry.